Permanent Collective Spaces for Project Development

my post can also be found on

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hc_ecology/message/268

I am eager to get to know about anyone that has ideas regarding spaces where we could live or hold events in a self organized way.

1) CouchSurfing and Travelling School of Life – Common Interests ? + Gathering Contacts for Collective Spaces
2) Legal Platforms for Collectively Purchasing Land ???
3) Decision Making Practices and Tools


1 ) CouchSurfing and Travelling School of Life – Common Interests ? + Gathering Contacts for Collective Spaces

Maybe an example of where Travelling School of Life objectives ( http://www.tsolife.org )
and CouchSurfing Objectives ( http://www.couchsurfing.org )
could potentially meet – such as in having our own Spaces :

http://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Permanent_CSC

( also see pasted below – on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hc_ecology/message/268 )

and also other tools planned for development in CS :

http://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Future_Features_%26_Functions

one extract : ” From the CouchSurfing <!– D(["mb","University,nwe thought it would be good to be able to search people by interests.nLike I want to learn the guitar, who can actually host me out there andnprovide some lessons.. &amp;amp;amp;amp;amp;quot;
n
nhttp://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
n
nall pages: http://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages
n

2) List of Spaces + Legal Platforms for Collectively Purchasing Land ???


Talking about Nomadic Social Centers in Urban and Rural areas during my travels these last months, n
made me realise that there is alot of enthousiasm on this topic , and alot of people thinking and working on such topics.

I also met farm owners in different european countries that would be happy to host and let nomads self organize on their land. n

and I remember talking about this topic with Tsolife friends – a list of spaces was started and it will soon be on the www.tsolife.org wiki

nWhich kind of Legal Platforms for (Purchasing?/Borrowing?) Land?

Borrowingn : I remember Casey mentionned an idea that would offer interested owners of land to borrowing us their land / living spaces , under the agreement that their “property” would be returned in an equal or improved state n“,1] ); //–>University, we thought it would be good to be able to search people by interests. Like I want to learn the guitar, who can actually host me out there and provide some lessons.. ”

http://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

all pages: http://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Special:Allpages

2) List of Spaces + Legal Platforms for Collectively Purchasing Land ???
Talking about Nomadic Social Centers in Urban and Rural areas during my travels these last months,
made me realise that there is alot of enthousiasm on this topic , and alot of people thinking and working on such topics.

I also met farm owners in different european countries that would be happy to host and let nomads self organize on their land.

and I remember talking about this topic with Tsolife friends – a list of spaces was started and it will soon be on the www.tsolife.org wiki

Which kind of Legal Platforms for (Purchasing?/Borrowing?) Land?

Borrowing : I remember Casey mentionned an idea that would offer interested owners of land to borrowing us their land / living spaces , under the agreement that their “property” would be returned in an equal or improved state <!– D(["mb","

Purchasing : It might eventually also be interesting to understand how to develop legal platforms to reclaim land by opening up a subscription and collectively buy land – , that could be used for all kinds of projects , and would be self-organized / and where objectives would not be focused on maximisation of profit , but on maximising opportunities and empowering individuals and communities – such a platform would ask for donations to buy land , and although I imagine cooperatives could develop on such land , the land in itself could not be sold or speculated on , and would not be dominated by any individual or selected group of individuals – it would become land managed by the collective of individuals living on the land – through decision making processes with wich we could experiment – … hmm … such as Concensus ( ? ) n

3) Decision Making Practices and Tools

… I propose to gather Decision Making Practices and Tools links and knowledge – my current list of links on this topic:n

http://del.icio.us/deliciousdante/decision

feel free to contact me on any of these issues – would also be nice to have some discussions on these topics on the lists and eventually complement existing articles on our wikis such asn

http://dominik.valledismeraldo.com/new/index.php/Tsolife/Openorg

nhttp://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Organizational_Structure ( ? )

——————————“,1] ); //–>

Purchasing : It might eventually also be interesting to understand how to develop legal platforms to reclaim land by opening up a subscription and collectively buy land – , that could be used for all kinds of projects , and would be self-organized / and where objectives would not be focused on maximisation of profit , but on maximising opportunities and empowering individuals and communities – such a platform would ask for donations to buy land , and although I imagine cooperatives could develop on such land , the land in itself could not be sold or speculated on , and would not be dominated by any individual or selected group of individuals – it would become land managed by the collective of individuals living on the land – through decision making processes with wich we could experiment – … hmm … such as Concensus ( ? )

3) Decision Making Practices and Tools

… I propose to gather Decision Making Practices and Tools links and knowledge – my current list of links on this topic:

http://del.icio.us/deliciousdante/decision

feel free to contact me on any of these issues – would also be nice to have some discussions on these topics on the lists and eventually complement existing articles on our wikis such as

http://dominik.valledismeraldo.com/new/index.php/Tsolife/Openorg

http://wiki.couchsurfing.com/wiki/index.php/Organizational_Structure ( ? )

"People are collectively participating in a system that is enslaving them."

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http://www.seek2know.net/money.html

( I found this last link through http://www.droppingknowledge.org/ questions list – more exactly: http://www.droppingknowledge.org/bin/posts/focus/10261.page – Is pusuit of profit/money or Life the goal here – by Atma )

also see

http://www.altruists.org/ideas/economics/

http://www.equilibrismus.de/

and other links ( including about alternatives ) I add to

http://del.icio.us/deliciousdante/Economy?setcount=100

http://del.icio.us/deliciousdante/AlternativeEconomics

Connecting Nomads + Nomads Platform and Address Book

From: Dante-Gabryell Monson Date: May 18, 2006 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [hc_ecology] NOMADS ADRESS BOOK AND COMMUNITY ONLINE – couchsurfing cooperation and nomadic tribe + Nomadic University Re: Nomads database
To: hc_ecology@yahoogroups.com, globalvillages@yahoogroups.com, sustainable_solidarity@yahoogroups.com

Yes, we are on the same wavelenght. 

also, for more openness and avoiding any one to have a specific control on such a database, I imagine that as you say there could be a lightweight program and website that would make it possible to access this specific nomadic database through specific and customizable communities through the Hospitalityclub.org portal and the Couchsurfing.com portal.

So the information and messages could be sent both trough HC and CS , while the data base would not be on any of these two servers, but would be spread between us – several servers and mirrors ( so that no one of us actually owns and controls the whole data base – p2p style )

And , in relation to accessing our communities ( nomads, greens , hospitality sites , openleader, etc ) etc – I imagine we could also have a small tool-gadget that would allow us to access it directly through our google desktop / personalized home – see:

http://www.google.com/apis/homepage/

http://www.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=30959&topic=1592

http://www.google.com/ig/directory

http://searchenginewatch.com/searchday/article.php/3506541

http://www.google.com/ig

http://www.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=1592&hl=en


Dante 

On 5/17/06, Roberto Barbagallo  wrote:
I totally agree! 

I think one of the first concept would be the fast conncetion between nomads. Then a adress book totally in text, without imagines, really light to access in! CS it’s really heavy to download when you are travelling and you need to save time and money in any Internet Cafee or wifi-ing around. I’ve just bought a pda + wifi conncetion + solar pannel 😀 I’d call it EcoPalm 🙂  now I need all those services online really light to access in 🙂
The wiki would be great with an attach Excell file or Txt  with inside any informations about nomads , such as mobile, email, skype and any onther way to keep in touch.
And this file could be also part of the Tsol wiki. About this…it’s often off line.

Psy

On 5/17/06, Dante-Gabryell Monson  wrote:


Dear Synnove ( cc: nomadic – eco – thinker – activist – alernative lifestyle friends ) 

IN RELATION TO THE NOMADS ADRESS BOOK

I imagine that , in addition to gathering and building together our own nomadic adress book of friends ( that eventually we could gather on a wiki? )

WE COULD ALSO WORK WITH SITES SUCH AS couchsurfing – note: I remembered they developped a special temporary http://care.couchsurfing.com/ ( currently leading to main site ) wich was aimed at building a community volunteering to support disaster victims at the time of the Cyclone’s a few months ago , and when googling , found this:

see http://www.couchsurfing.com/group.html?gid=2483  Community versions
Let’s start by figuring out the major communities to implement and get ambassadors to take ownership. For example, I think Mattthew of SF is interested in spearheading burners.couchsurfing.com for the Burning man community. These ambassadors will assess the needs of the specific version and work on the infrastructure, and on promoting it to that community. Care.CouchSurfing.com fits within this.

 Community versions Let’s start by figuring out the major communities to implement and get ambassadors to take ownership. For example, I think Mattthew of SF is interested in spearheading for the Burning man community. These ambassadors will assess the needs of the specific version and work on the infrastructure, and on promoting it to that community. fits within this.CouchSurfing University
We need an ambassador to lead a team to explore this concept and get the idea of the ground. We are in the zygote stage here. The idea is, people learn while they are traveling and perhaps we can create a more formalized, systematic way for people to get the most education in their travels. Members can register as teachers and students and find each other. We do not need to launch this by the end of the summer, but we have a goal of having a solid proposal then. I think Dani has expressed interest in this.

Partnerships
We need a leader to propose organizations and businesses with who CouchSurfing should considering approaching for formal affiliation. Once the potential partners are approved, begin building relationships.

On 5/15/06, Synnöve Mathč  wrote:
 

Hi Dante,
I was thinking about your project to create a database for nomadas.

 

I want to mean I have to do a new notebook, and after I have to ask to the people if they want to appear in our database (be sure in Spain some people don’t want to appear by net)
I’m talking with nomads around the planet :o) and some told me to do a database with advises and info for nomads since people who travel by hicht hike, and others who travel by caravans, bus etc…
What do you think? How many people are working in your project? Please tell me something because in a few days (after the zapatista meeting) I going to lose in Eire so my new notebbok and more ideas starts there.

Social Networks Around Books?

From: Dante-Gabryell Monson
Date: 01-Dec-2005 06:53
Subject: Re: [mindecos] Social Networks Around Books?

I am interested in real world community “living” space ( even with people from all over europe spending some time ) in berlin,

open to thinking related to collective intelligence, alternative local marketing solutions ( + produ-consuming? / engaging consumers into production / + gift economy + yes, indeed, like ideas of optimizing “lending” and yes, like social networks around anything ) , alternative DIGITAL(?)-currencies ( using… chip?? or… mobile devise like mobilephone? ) , money reform, + privacy issues??

+ interaction + nomadic architecture ( ? ) + + + + + + +

am interested in developping low cost solutions – good infrastructure ( broadband, … ad-hoc? ) , access to transportation, social life , … / access to university ( and particularly uni library )

for myself, and others – etc.

well, this already exists, but I want to connect also with your own experiences in London, Berlin, etc

and see how such “social hub” + ideas + ( temporary) livingspace could develop in ( different ) models… and more experiments

+ centres for informal project development, etc

–> Temporary Zones? Using Squats , and having everything thought for rapid transposition?

Understand better working of certain Squats + networks ???

but have one big zone that stays ( get support from some person with ownership on empty space ? )

also, I added some links on http://del.icio.us/deliciousdante

that seem quite interesting,

including for example

http://www.v-2.org/displayArticle.php?article_num=339

and

http://www.massivechange.com/

Also, am thinking about analysis of different opportunities and potential experiments

for example, this article, and setting in Somalia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4020259.stm

–> opportunities for ( local? ) economic development, using ICT for boosting new initiatives, ideas, exchanges, and optimizing ressources and reducing waste trough digital market, etc… ???

etc